Thursday, January 24, 2013

Arriving in Fiume

Jan 5, 1651, Monday Noon
Weather:  with brisk temperatures and an intermittent rain, with a light breeze

Having caught the French ship the Laurentian, the party experiences two days at sea, crossing the Adriatic east from Venice, in almost continuous drizzle, rain, showers and spattering damp.  The sea is gray and dismal, the crew are tired and unpleasant, the space below deck is dirty, rat and bedbug infested and the odor somewhat less than ideal.  The only decent thing is the food, which you yourselves are providing.

The Fiume dock is a welcome sight.  It has been reached via some tricky maneuvering through some of the more difficult sea the party has seen - very different from the beachy expanses of the Baltic.  Andrej and Ahmet, of course, have some experience with it, along with their hirelings, but this is the first time Lukas, Sofia or Maximilian have ever seen the Mediterranean.  The shores are rocky and forbidding, the sky threatening, and the crew assures you that you dare not take the sea for granted.  It can blow hard on a moment's notice, and now and then sailors lose their lives.

Fiume is a busy port, large and tightly centered in the amphitheatre of hills surrounding it.  It is within the County of Kordun, which Maximillian will take note is under the authority of the Hapsburgs.  Thus, though it is a gold piece to disembark here per person (the horses may do so for free), Maximillian need not pay any coin.

There is a ship, the Alcmaeon, leaving for Egypt, which plans to make a stop in Zante, in the Ionian Isles.  Zante is also under the authority of Venice, and you will be able to catch a ship from there to Candia on Crete ... though it may be a wait.  There are no other shipping routes you can take; the others here are bound for Corinth (and points in the Kingdom of Naples or the Papal States), and you're assured you can't get a ship from Corinth to Candia very easily.  There are no ships for Naxos that do not leave Candia (or so a sailor tells you).

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Andrej said...

Andrej and Sofia each pay their toll to disembark and as Sofia gathers the horses on the pier, urging Hichem to her assistance, Andrej lays out his plan.

First he produces the writ and hands it to Lukas to read:

"...the writ says effectively what you might expect. It says that if you appear at Fiume by the date specified, that being the 7th day of February, 1651, and demonstrate that you are Andrej by answering questions that are put to you, then 3,000 gold pieces are to be put into your name for the purpose of founding a mission in the land of Cumana, upon the Black Sea, and "whatsoever men can be put at your disposal, and whatsoever ship can be put to service in order to carry you to your destination."

Then he lays out his near-term plans:

I suggest that the henchmen and followers take the spare horses and our equipment to an inn and install us there. Meanwhile, we four principals (Andrej, Ahmet, Lukas & Maximillian) will seek out one Giovanni Corvalus, who must cosign for the amount.

Once we find and meet this Giovanni, I'd like to ask him more of His Grace's (the Count of Lower Carniola) business in the trade of tea and furs. That is, where specifically do the tea and furs arriving in Kefe (Crimean port) originate from? Tea I'm assuming from the east, perhaps northern Iran or Transcaucasia. Furs could be coming from the north. This will have some bearing on where best to place the mission.

So, if all are agreed, henchmen gather and depart while the primary characters begin asking around for Giovanni Corvalus

Alexis said...

(OOC: Tea is a difficult product; it should in part be reaching Europe through Vati, overland from western China ... but I haven't actually completed China's contribution to the trade markets except as one enormous bulk export emanating out of Canton. Nor have I calculated any of the trade routes around Africa (which is a huge continent and isn't remotely mapped)

Thus, the value in tea is at this moment still coming wholly through Antioch, Syria. Not the real world in 1650, I know, but sadly I am not yet ready to work out the entire world's geographical effect on trade)

Lukas said...

We may also need to account for gathering said men to be put at our disposal while we still can.

We may want some expert surveyors and perhaps some people who know much about the local political situation. I think we may be more likely to get good political knowledge closer, but the surveyors we may need to find in a bigger place.

Maybe some Auguries once we found a spot?

Side Note: I saw the information on the previous post and did the appropriate accounting.

Alexis said...

(OOC: furs largely come from Russia, on the other hand; that market IS more or less defined. Whether it comes through Kefe, however, I'm not prepared to reveal)

A quick investigation as to the location of Giovanni Corvalus directs you to the Croat Bank of Fiume.

Maximillian said...

Costs deducted, including Mareo's fee for entry.

Andrej's plan sounds reasonable.

Maximillian said...

(I suppose I'm not entirely sure what is envisioned by "a mission" but an engineer could be useful too.)

Lukas said...

Once we find a site I think were going to need a lot more than an engineer... But one thing at a time. I figure we will need to tow a surveyor along with us as we find the perfect site. They may even know something about the area already.

Andrej said...

Hmmm... regarding fur and tea, the ostensible benefit to the Count in funding the expedition was to provide a caravan stopover and his stated import interests were fur and tea flowing through Kefe... given the current completely understandable uncertainty I'm comfortable proceeding to the Black Sea and figuring it out better once we get there... but if there were more known re: the Count's interests here in Fiume, I didn't want to pass up the opportunity to learn it.

We should talk more about surveyors and other experts before departing, but I have a meeting starting in three minutes, so for now let's head to the Croat Bank of Fiume and Giovanni Corvalus.

Maximillian said...

We'll also surely be passing through Constantinople on our way, where we could hire additional people. I'm not at all sure what larger cities might be even closer, but I suspect the whole reason for this adventure is that there aren't any ;)

Alexis said...

LOL.

There is no such thing as a 'surveyor' ... the methodology of survey was not invented until the late 18th century.

Alexis said...

There is SOME tea that flows through Kefe ... but I could simply point out that not actually living in the area, the Count could be as mistaken as anyone.

The Croat Bank is a rather small, unassuming building situated at the origin of something called the "Trsat Stairway" which ascends to the Shrine of Our Lady Of Trsat. There is a rather odd story associated with the shrine. According to the legend, the house of Holy Mary is said to have vanished from the Holy Land, whereupon it appeared here only for a single day, before finally coming to exist in Loreto, where it stands today as a shrine (OOC: this is a legend actually believed in reality - I'm not making it up!)

It can be read here.

Maximillian said...

(OOC: people are so weird)

Being something of a shrine enthusiast, I suggest that we visit the shrine at the conclusion of our meeting.

Lukas said...

How about a dowser then? To ensure we at least know what the water conditions are? ;)

I mean, I'd be willing to bet there are experts who know good foundations when they see one and that I am not that expert. But hey, maybe we can reserve the next 50 auguries and give a cleric a map. tell him to replace the grey pins with green if they're good spots and red if they're bad. Then come back in a month.

Lukas said...

Find a more detailed map of the best remaining pin and reserve the NEXT 50 until we get an accuracy level we like.

Maximillian said...

Bah, That's a mage's sort of plan. _I'd_ suggest we go there and have a look around, and select the place with the nicest view, good sun exposure, and favorable spirits ;)

Lukas said...

Your idea of a shrine is a circle of flowers and a smelly log.

Maximillian said...

OOh, one with mushrooms.

Andrej said...

(OOC: LoL guys. I might be with the druid on this one re: the method of surveying.)

Andrej proceeds to the bank building, writ in hand, and reminds his fellows that their ransom was paid from or to this very bank. In fact, their very benefactors may be close by. He assures Maxamillian that he intends also to visit the shrine, and is secretly pleased that the heathen has in interest in such a holy site. Perhaps there is hope yet for his soul.

Lukas said...

Just saying, don't put stakes in until you've consulted God on the matter. I think he might know what he's doing a bit better than us.

Andrej said...

It's a good point, Lukas, and one certainly not lost on Andrej. Though I suspect by that time we won't need a map... the caster of the augury will be reviewing the site first-hand. I wonder, though, what your knowledge of architecture and mining and Ahmet's knowledge of mining might also contribute to the decision.

Maximillian said...

I also am fairly well versed in mining. Perhaps our next venture should be prospecting...

Andrej said...

There will be prospecting for sure. We'll need to put those Civ 4 resource posts of Alexis's to good use. Having now three of you capable of "surveying" for ore will be a boon to our enterprise.

Lukas said...

I think we will be surveying a lot of the land for a while. Rooting out ANYTHING in the area of interest. Hopefully being a druid has some innate knowledge of the usefulness of flora and fauna in the area.

Alexis said...

The party is shown to Ranko Stipanov, a tall, mephistophelian character of extraordinary fashionable taste, dressed in Venetian style in the extreme - ruby pin in his hat, silk piping on his doublet and gown, topaz rings and kidskin gloves and shoes, quite all out. He rather looks down his nose at the party, who are somewhat run down for travel upon the road, still in the clothes they wore in Germany and smelling like shipboard.

"Giovanni Corvalus has been reposted," Ranko explains. "But I am familiar with your situation. The coin is being brought forward from the vault as we speak."

Andrej said...

"Many thanks and blessings, Don Stipanov."

Andrej awaits the arrival of his coin.

Alexis said...

Ranko will thus supply Andrej with 1,000 pieces of gold.

Andrej said...

(OOC: And so our benefactors have been revealed... ourselves! I had a feeling this was coming.)

Andrej nods with knowing disappointment and calls out silently, "alas, Don Lazaro, spend the money well, at least."

Regarding Rank more directly, "I am safe to assume that the remaining 2,000 gold mentioned in the writ have already been moved to the account of Hadji Lazaro, then?"

Alexis said...

"The transfer has been accomplished, yes."

Andrej said...

Andrej will collect the 1,000 gold pieces, lock them in his chest and provided the party is ready, make his way back to the waterfront to locate the rest of the party.

As long as the 1,000 gp lasts, Andrej will pay our way at least to Anatolia, where we'll embark for Ahmet's business. Once that is accomplished, I will resume spending whatever money remains to reach Cumania.

Andrej said...

Oh, and before we seek the inn, let us see about that holy shrine.

Maximillian said...

(OOC: wait, not going to push any of the questions you outlined previously? Or ask after the reassigned contact, or "whatsoever men can be put at your disposal, and whatsoever ship can be put to service in order to carry you to your destination." If you changed your mind, that's fine.)

Andrej said...

Hmmm... well, I thought until just today Giovanni Corvalus was an agent of the count's and not simply a banker managing his money. I don't believe, therefore, that Ranko would be much help in enlightening us further as to his Grace's business.

As far as the "whatsoever men and boat... put at our disposal" I assumed that was what the 3,000 gold was for, and not a separate part of the writ, but the language could be interpreted that way, so...

Andrej asks Ranko if he knows how he should secure the use of men and a ship as detailed in the writ. Does the Count of Lower Carniola have ships or men in Fiume that can be put to beneficial use? How do we contact them?

Alexis said...

Before Andrej can leave Ranko's presence, he must first make his mark upon a few scraps of paper, and submit to a series of questions. These we don't need to roleplay - they simply challenge the detect lie spell that is arranged for the question period.

The scraps of paper indicate receipt of the money; transfer of the money to the bandits; a promissary note to pay back the entire 3,000 g.p. within three years of the present date; and a stipulation that a 7% interest will be paid upon the original 3,000 for a period of five years, regardless of the repayment of the money. Finally, a last page indicating that the usual ten percent tithe must be paid upon any wealth that the church or the mission raises in Cumana into perpetuity.

Finally, Ranko provides a church order, signed by the cardinal, that Andrej is already responsible regarding 2,000 g.p. for these expectations, regardless of whether or not he signs for the other 1,000.

Alexis said...

Ranko then goes on to state that you are free to commission a ship of your choice that will take you as far as the city of Azov, and that the captain's price, as well as that of six of the crew, will be undertaken by the church, so long as you go by the most direct route between the city of Fiume and that of Azov. If you so participate in said direct journey, a master-at-arms shall be sent along with you, paid in full for a period of one year, "with ten light footmen, two crossbowmen and one sapper."

Ahmet said...

(OOC: Hmm... that sounds like too good a deal to pass up, but Ahmet may have to part company at least for a little while.)

Andrej said...

If the ransom money came from the writ from the Count, how the hell did the church get all wrapped up in this? Owing them a cut once the mission is built I understand, but owing them interest on money they've already taken I don't get.

Andrej said...

Ah wait, I see. 7% interest is what the Count is charging me, the church is just reminding me I owe them a tithe? Who is paying for the ship and soldiers, church or count? I'm losing the line between my creditors.

Hey, why did Giovanni Corvalus get reposted anyway?

Alexis said...

Ranko can sort this out. Apparently, the church learned about the mission from the Count, and "bought up" the contract once they found out you were in trouble. The church was only willing to pay the ransom once they found out who you were, and that your intention was to set up a mission for him.

So now the Count still wants what he wants, but the church wants its "cut."

Alexis said...

Sorry, not entirely clear. The Count mostly wants some kind of trade outpost ... the church just wants followers and money.

Andrej said...

So in effect I've borrowed 3,000 gp from the church @ 7% interest for five years that needs paying off in three years, 2,000 gp of which is already spent. But we do get a free ride to Azov and the use of the aforementioned soldiers as part of the deal. The count still wants a place to park his caravans with access to the sea and the church wants me to pay my franchise fees. All I have to say to that crap is... "Welcome to McJesus, may I take your order?"

OK, Andrej signs all the papers as best he can and finds out how to contact our new man-at-arms and the captain of the ship taking us to Azov.

Ahmet, we'll see what we can do once we get to the Aegean about not parting ways.

Is everybody else OK with this course? Any further thoughts, advice or objections?

Alexis said...

The ship is one you choose; the church has not picked out one for you. Ranko would recommend attempting to find a captain not normally engaged in a steady trade route, such as the skipper of the Alcmaeon.

Andrej said...

Two questions:

One, where in Anatolia are we headed to resolve Ahmet's business?

Two, where in Cumana did Andrej live and can he presume his family is still there?

Alexis said...

I need to be reminded exactly of Ahmet's home town. It's in the interior, that I remember - Cappadocia or Paphlagonia

Alexis said...

Seems to me I specified Andrej's background in Itossia ... but can't find it on the blog.

Andrej said...

All I was given for background is here:

http://dachaucampaignandrej.blogspot.com/2010/01/notes-and-ephemera.html#more

It mentions Cumana, East Ukraine and seeking out a seminary in Czernihow but that's it.

Cappadocia sounds familiar for Ahmet.

Andrej said...

I'll take it as Itossia, though, and update the blog.

Andrej said...

Alexis, I'm having trouble locating Itossia on a web search or map... is there a modern name for it or is there some place nearby that I could reference?

Andrej said...

We can settle discuss the above later as we are able, I suppose.

In the meantime Andrej makes for the waterfront to find the Alcmaeon, assuring Maxamillian of a visit to the shrine before we depart Fiume.

Alexis said...

The differences in four years ... started Andrej in 2009, before I had a character generator or a better birth table.

Itossia more or less corresponds to the western, southern part of the Zaporizhia oblast in southeastern Ukraine. Rolling randomly, I get that Andrej is from Itoskhan (modern Melitopol), a small city of about 5,000 people, on the Molochna River that flows into the Sea of Azov.

The Nogais people who occupied the area in Earth history were descendents of the mongols, who you may remember are orcs in my world, so these would be the stock race for Andrej's half-orc heritage.

The land of Itossia is flat prairie, with hardly any trees, poorly soiled and with few permanent structures. It covers almost 8 hexes of territory (making it about 2 450 square miles) and has some 27,000 people all told.

(OOC: Just want my world to be as deep as possible for you)

Alexis said...

Not really sure why Maximillian would want to visit the shrine ...

The Alcmaeon and its captain can be found on the waterfront, loading for its journey that is to start on the 9th.

Maximillian said...

Character interest, that's all. I have meetings again soon, so it'll be about 2 hours before I can participate.

Andrej said...

(Very cool, I have made note of all the above on my blog)

Andrej approaches the captain and introduces himself while asking his name. Cutting to the chase Andrej offers the captain a to-be negotiated rate for his ship and up to 6 crewman to be paid by the Catholic church, to defer his trip to Egypt and instead take he and his party of 23 people and 10 horses to Azov upon the Sea of Azov, with necessary stops in Kofunisia or Naxos and a to-be determined stop in or near Anatolia.

Ahmet said...

Ahmet's place of birth: Melitene, Cappadocia, central Anatolia

Andrej said...

(OOC: Found this interesting: 1613-1643 Kalmyks, warlike Buddhist Mongols, move west from Dzungaria and occupy area from the Don to the Emba. Some eastern Nogais (Andrej's half-orc bretheren) join Kazakhs and Karakalpaks. Others stay as Kalmyk subjects. Others cross the Volga southwest to the Kuban or west across Don, both groups becoming subjects of Crimea)

Alexis said...

Ahmet's home can be reached from coastal ports on the south, by the Mediterranean, and on the north, by the Black.

What are you doing right now, Ahmet?

Lukas, you're still out there, right? Players have a habit of being transported out of this blog, and I haven't heard from you in awhile.

Also would like to know what Lukas is doing.

Alexis said...

Andrej,

The captain can't help you. He is already committed, cargo and so on, to travel to Egypt. He simply can't change his route at this time.

Andrej said...

Can the captain recommend another ship in port that might be available?

Ahmet said...

(OOC: Probably busy for the rest of the day, so let's say Ahmet is indisposed as well...)

Lukas said...

Right now I'm only interested in supporting the team. Andrej and Ahmet have their missions going on, and I'm patiently awaiting whenever something relevant arises.

So as a character, he will be following and assisting Andrej.

Maximillian said...

My stuff will go on a little longer than expected, so I too will just be tagging along with Andrej. If we end up staying here for several (game) days, I will want to see a little bit of the area outside of town, assuming I can get some of the other characters to come with.

Alexis said...

Okay, just you and me, Father.

The captain does not know anyone else. There's little to do other than to poke your way along the docs - which the captain of the Alcmaeon suggests - and see what there is to see. There are about twenty ships in harbor larger than the size of a yawl, and about fifty empty docks. Most of the ships that would be the size of a yawl (35 feet) are either making short trips to nearby non-port villages on the coast, or out fishing.

(OOC: See the post I just put up on the other blog.

Also, for the record, in my world the Kalmyks were the half-troll/ogre offspring of mountain tribes out of the Tien Shan, the mountain range between western China and Turkestan ... they would eventually be massacred by great hosts of human berserkers - the Rum Turks, who formed the pre-Ottoman Sultanate of Rum - before later fabricating a small kingdom for themselves in Transcaucasia made of Trollish masters and haruchai secondaries ... but that's another story)

Alexis said...

(OOC: Still filling in the gaps; Dzungaria is the pass between the Tien Shan and the Altai Mountains that is the northern Silk Road. The kingdom I mentioned in Transcaucasia is more or less between the Don and the Emba)

Andrej said...

Andrej begins poking around the waterfront, looking for a likely ship and captain.

(OOC: So reading up on the Nogai some I see that those who dwelt north of the Crimea, where Andrej is from, would have signed up with the Crimean Khanate and been nominally under muslim/ Ottoman rule and law if not outright muslim themselves. In about a hundred years the Slavs start settling the area and the Nogai seem either absorbed or die out. What's the situation in 1650, or at least the last Andrej was there?)

Andrej said...

(OOC: Here's another: 1649 Nogai Tatars "corrals" scattered Volyn and Chervonnaya Russia, plundering, pillaging and capturing defenseless prisoner Ukrainian population. Jampol , Zaslavl , Ostrog , Mezhibozh, Olyka , Tuchin, Polonnoe , Derazhnya, pins and many other Ukrainian cities and towns were sacked and burned, the local population slaughtered and plundered, many Ukrainians were taken by the Tatars in Crimea and sold into slavery.)

Maximillian said...

Well, the meeting went well, but I'll have a lot of work next week...

Similar to Lukas, my primary interest is in following the goals of the senior members. With that in mind, I will continue to tag along while Andrej approaches the ships captains directly. If this gets tiresome, perhaps we can talk to the harbormaster.

Alexis said...

(OOC: the difference between human history and my history in terms of Itossia being under the ottomans is that they're NOT human in my world ... so the Ottomans and the Nogai never got along; the Nogai never turned moslem.

Thus, the slaughter described never happened. There has been some killing in the past of humans inside the environs of Cumana, which extends through most of Eastern modern Ukraine ... but the slaughtering that is mandated by Islam against the Ukrainians doesn't occur because after the Tatars (orcs) took the land in the 13th century, they bred with the Ukrainians and created the half-orc race).

Alexis said...

"WELL, I'll be slaughtered by elves!" shouts a familiar voice. "It's the Turk and the half-orc!"

Andrej said...

Andrej turns about to regard the familiar voice. Was it a man or woman? Human or...

Andrej said...

(OOC: I understand. Very interesting.)

Alexis said...

It is, of all people, Madam Salvador.

Andrej said...

Too perfect. While I'd love to progress this thing now, given Ahmet's affection for the pirate captain I wouldn't think of proceeding without his play. Perhaps we should call it a day and meet back up on Monday?

Alexis said...

Accepted. Let me know if you have any other history questions.

Andrej said...

Will do. Should I continue to post questions here or would you prefer I shoot them over in an e-mail? While it may clutter things up here, the benefit is its accessibility.

Alexis said...

Prefer here; there are people following these threads who will want to know details about my world (and they're not players, so they can't ask)

Ahmet said...

Ahmet doesn't quite smile, but his usual scowl is... well, a little less so.

"So you've found us at last," he replies to the pirate queen.

Lukas said...

"Oh good, you know this captain, perhaps this means our search is over?"

Alexis said...

Madam laughs at Ahmet. "Found you? Was I looking for you? Perhaps it is you that has found me!"

Ahmet said...

Ahmet spreads his hands and says, "I suppose it was fate."

Alexis said...

"I suppose it was," she agrees. "I have just finished my business - what is it that brings you both here? Did Herr Kiddpuddle bring you luck? What has happened to your companions?"

Ahmet said...

(OOC: Waiting for Andrej before we get to seriously talking.)

Maximillian said...

(ooc: I'm available again)

Lukas said...

(OOC: You may be available, but as far as Ahmet is concerned the captain is not. Walk carefully tree hugger)

Alexis said...

(OOC: I'm ready to move forward when you all feel involved. Maximillian and Lukas, don't be too shy - no one owns the Madam)

James C. said...

(OOC: Hey guys, sorry I have been scarce but work necessities today have made it so. Please proceed with Andrej's blessings, not that you really need it.)

Maximillian said...

(I've been hanging back in character... this appears to be a meeting between old friends. Nevertheless...)

On hearing that she is a sailor (sailoress??) I will exclaim "Well, that's a stroke of luck!"

Lukas said...

Lukas gives a raised eyebrow to the mention of 'previous companions' and then continues after Maximillian's uninformative exclamation.

"We are currently in need of passage by sea you see. We need to get to Azov."

Alexis said...

"Do you now?" says Madam, smirking and quite clearly understanding while pretending otherwise. "How do you plan to get there?" she asks Lukas.

Maximillian said...

Any jest flying over my head, I'll state the obvious as though it may not have occurred to her, "Indeed! We will go by boat! You see, Andrej's church has agreed to pay for the hiring of a ship and it's crew, to travel thence. You are familiar with these people, yes? You must be able to suggest who might be available for the journey?" I will continue talking as long as someone does not interject, describing how we will travel "half way across the world," to distant lands I know nothing about, and the wild adventures we will have along the way. At first, this will be just expressions of my excitement at being so far from home, but as I get more carried away, Ahmet may begin to suspect I try to impress her, however misguided the attempt may be.

Alexis said...

Madam looks at Ahmet. "He isn't quite trained yet, is he?"

Ahmet said...

Ahmet waits until Maximillian exhausts himself -- and perhaps he was a bit tongue-tied himself for a bit -- before he eventually answers the questions Madam Salvador had directed at him.

"Silvius and Nine-toes each went his separate way, although we hope to rejoin them again some day. Joost was ripped asunder by a... uh... tentacled stench beast. I slew the foul creature, but alas, too late for poor Joost. Klaas and Emmanuel left us soon after, for less hazardous employment.

"As for Herr Kiddpuddle, he was delighted with your gift and, well, as to luck, I was wondering when mine would arrive," and he grins at her, "and now it has."

Lukas said...

"You did, and if it weren't for the dozen dwarves helping, you might have ended up like... was it your cousin or uncle?"

Lukas adds.

Alexis said...

Madam raises an eyebrow at Ahmet. "Between the innuendos and the over-elation, a girl might get excited about herself."

To Maximillian she says, "What were you thinking to pay for your charter, friend?"

Andrej said...

"As to your question regarding our travel arrangements to the Black Sea and beyond, Madame Salvador, perhaps you could recommend a good ship and captain?" Andrej offers smiling. "The church, it seems, is content to pay whomever I might find willing to take up our cause."

Maximillian said...

"It is Andrej says, we were not thinking to pay anything, but it seems to me his benefactor is... generous.

Maximillian said...

Realizing that I am too obvious to everyone around me, I begin to take notice of the ground around my feet.

Ahmet said...

Ahmet scowls.

"How about these two," and nods at Lukas and Maximillian, "as payment for passage?"

Alexis said...

Madam looks about at the four of you. "The church is paying?" she asks, sounding interested.

Maximillian said...

Perking up,
"I'm quite useful..." I then realize what was actually being said, and return to studying the ground.

Lukas said...

Lukas shows his hands to the lady, "Notice the softness of my hands. Not useful for much I assure you. I feel Ahmet is not too keen on sharing credit for storming a castle and disabling the magical siege engine within."

Andrej said...

"Indeed. My position would demand that I negotiate a fair price, yes, but the party would be inclined and, frankly, rather pleased to accept any reasonable offer for assistance."

Alexis said...

"This party could use a lot of assistance," she says, putting her hands on her hips and making quite a good show of herself. "They could use more experience too, clearly. But its a ship you want, isn't it? Mine is on the quay in sight there ... the Petrel's Wing."

Andrej said...

"Aye, it is a fine looking ship, though I am a shepherd's son and no sailor. What would it cost the church to see a party of 20 or so members and 10 horses with a modest amount of gear safely to the Sea of Azov, with a few prescribed stops along the way?"

Ahmet said...

Enrico, hoping to find a way to prove his worth to Ahmet, asks his hireling Carlito to look over the ship and offer an opinion of its seaworthiness, or anything else that he, as the son of a sailor, might take note of.

Alexis said...

Madam will describe her costs as 8 s.p. per passenger, and 1 g.p. per horse, per day of travel ... which she describes as better than 6 knots per hour.

Enrico can confirm that's very fast for a ship this large.

The Petrel is a carrack, 115 ft. long, slimmer than most of its class would be. It is, to Enrico's eye, a very impressive ship; he counts some thirty crew, which is much more than is usually needed.

Maximillian said...

The price seems reasonable to me, based on what we've paid previously.

Ahmet said...

Can she estimate how many days we'll be at sea, given our itinerary: Azov upon the Sea of Azov, with a stop in Kofunisia or Naxos and another stop allowing access to Melitene in Anatolia?

I have a feeling that Melitene side trip is going to kill us; it's so far from the coast that we will have a long journey inland.

Perhaps Ahmet can recall which port would have been deemed closest -- a Mediterranean port like ─░skenderun, or one of the Black Sea ports like Ordu?

Ahmet said...

(By closest I don't mean as the crow flies, but factoring in roads, avoiding mountains, relative safety from bandits, etc. -- which port would be the best to use)

Alexis said...

She won't estimate the time, since she cannot know the winds nor if any storm will come up that will toss you off course, or leave her ship in need of repairs - this is winter, these are rough seas, and she will take them as she is comfortable. So assigning a time isn't practical. A month, she offers, perhaps two, maybe three.

Regarding a port access to inner Turkey, there is no such place as Iskenderun ... however, yes, Alexandretta would be the option from the south. Ordu from the north is actually cut off from the interior by mountains (fixed by modern engineering) - the port of entry on the north is Amisos. Madam would recommend that, as your final destination is in the Black Sea and not the Mediterranean.

James C. said...

"The costs seem more than fair and assuming our itinerary is not in dispute, including what might be a substantial lay-over in Anatolia,we are close to an agreement. Before we conclude on those terms, however, understanding your primary occupation Madame Salvador, should we expect any... "activity", on our way to Azov? If so, what would your expectation be regarding the party's participation in any "business" you might be conducting along the way."

Lukas said...

Lukas will look a bit confused and out of the loop at this point.

Ahmet said...

"And what would be our share?" Ahmet asks with a twinkle in his eye, already envisioning himself swinging on a line with a dagger 'tween his teeth.

Alexis said...

To the question of the party's participation, Madam will grin and say, "Enthusiastic."

She declines to talk about shares.

"Find me a complete list of who you wish to take and the cargo they will carry, and put it into the hands of my purser by tomorrow. I leave on the 15th, after my ship expects to complete repairs.

Maximillian said...

Alexis, I just noticed that the horse feed mentions it being "supplemental." For Sea journeys, how much additional food would be required? Is there any hay available in Fiume, or do we have to buy grain for the entirety of their feed?

James C. said...

So, both in and out of character... you guys want to be pirates for a little while?

Lukas said...

Considering we'd have a practiced pirate at our back I am not so worried about the prospect.

Alexis said...

This is a very good question, Maximillian. I have that information at home; presume the problem shall be managed. Hay is not expensive.

Alexis said...

Shall we move on?

Lukas said...

Aye! I mean yes. Let us arrange to have all our things and people and livestock transported shall we?

Lukas said...

Or assume arrangements are made and begin pirating. I mean traveling.

Maximillian said...

Aye matey, as long as I don't walk the plank.

Today, hay might be hard to come by, but I figured there would be more infrastructure for animals then.

James C. said...

Let us proceed.

1)How does Andrej effect payment from the church to Madame Salvador?

2)Should we really be compiling a list or are our characters doing it and you assume we bring everything?

3)How does Andrej connect with his man-at-arms and dozen or so mercenaries?

Ahmet said...

I'm ready to move on. I think Ahmet would make an excellent Dread Pirate Roberts.

Alexis said...

(OOC: allow me to explain my situation for the moment. I am good to stay in Fiume for the moment and work out most of the arrangements - starting a new post for that purpose and so on.

However, as I said yesterday, I have finished the full edit of my upcoming book. I am not 'finalizing' the chapters - 1 & 2 are done, but I have an estimated 72,000 words to read through. This I am doing outloud in the evenings, in an effort to get a strong sense of the rhythm without making constant editorial changes. This is going to take up a lot of my time and energy in the evenings for awhile.

I need to get up an image for a ship - which I'll want to be pretty enough to post to the other blog, and viable in case there's combat to do ... smirk. That's going to be out of the question until probably the weekend. I'm also running around trying to get in touch with someone who can let me take a photograph of a Les Paul, to get the photographer ready and so on. It would be the same photographer who did my wife's book - I definitely want to use him again.

As such, the rest of this week is going to be touch and go. I'd rather not suspend the campaign, but its probably going to be necessarily slower the rest of the week. Then we can get on course, get Maximillian and Enrico some experience and keep the campaign going.

What say you all?)

Maximillian said...

In the 10 days before we set sail, and after making the arrangements for supplies, etc., Maximillian would like to do two things, neither of which necessarily need to be roleplayed: he wants to visit the shrine out of curiosity, and he'd like to get a feel for the local environment, as this is the first place outside of the alps he's been. If there is any word of any druidic shrines in the area, he would visit them as well.

Since I don't need to roleplay those, I'm ready to move on too.

Maximillian said...

I completely understand the need to manage other commitments, we'll each of us have the same problem at various times. Yes, I'm antsy to see some action, but it will come when it will.

I can always challenge Enrico to a duel if things take too long ;)

Ahmet said...

(OOC: Slow or suspend, whatever makes your life easier. I'll be here!)

James C. said...

As you have mentioned before, Alexis, we are a patient lot. Take care of business and we'll get to playing when we can.

(OOC: Too bad we didn't live closer, I could get you several Les Pauls for picture taking.)

Maximillian said...

Back to the subject at hand, the wording of our directive concerns me a bit, specifically "so long as you go by the most direct route between the city of Fiume and that of Azov."

Some small amount of subterfuge may be necessary, but perhaps our friend the captain could assist with that.

Alexis said...

Ranko will inform Andrej upon a second visit that the amount specified for the journey is a flat fee, based upon the expected time of ship travel, which should not be more than 27 to 40 days. As such, the church is prepared to pay 11 gold and 13 silver per individual up to 40 such persons, and 27 gold per horse, up to 20 such animals. This is a flat fee, to be given to Andrej in advance, once he identifies the total size of his entourage.

I do assume you bring everything. But for me, could you please identify the exact number of humans and the exact number of horses? I'm not sure if anyone would like to hire additional helpers, linkboys, colonists, etc. at this time. And because I am very lazy, can we also add together the total weight of the party's goods besides horses?

The men at arms and master will meet you on the dock of your choosing on the day prior to embarkation. He won't be released from his present duties until that time.

James C. said...

Andrej's party:

16 persons (Andrej, Sofia, man-at-arms, 10 light footmen, 2 crossbowmen & a sapper)

4 horses

Andrej's equipment: 734.5 lbs (laugh at my spreadsheet now, Ahmet, I got that answer in less than 2 seconds.)

Will the mercs come with equipment or am I about to bust open the bank?

Including Ahmet and his entourage of 3, Lukas, Hichem, Mas and his henchman that's 24 people and... 10 horses, still?

If so, Ranko needs to pay out 534 gold and 312 silver for now. I'll hold off on collecting until I find out from the others if they intend to hire on more help.

Before yo mention it Ahmet, yeah I thought about telling the church I'm maxed out to pocket the extra cash but it felt... wrong.

Maximillian said...

2 people, 1 horse, 123 lbs of stuff (not including horse food or coin.)

Maximillian said...

(ooc: Colonists, Yes!!!)

Lukas said...

I have 217.75lbs between me and hichem.

I have two riding horses.

I have two passengers.

Ahmet said...

Total gear for Ahmet, Enrico, Tazio and Carlito: 678 pounds.

We have four humans and three horses (two light warhorse, one heavy warhorse).

Just out of curiosity, what's the level of civilization out there in Azov? I understand we're setting out to colonize heathens, but is it a market town... a village... a wilderness?

Do we need to buy things like... wagons, timber, seed, livestock, etc.?

Maximillian said...

(I get the distinct feeling that very few places in Alex's world are uninhabited.)

James C. said...

We can always hit up a market as needed closer to Cumana... remember, the first trip is to recon a spot. We don't need to bring everything we need to set up shop just yet... just cover the bases as far as an extended trip abroad.

Alexis said...

(OOC: Sorry, Maximillian. Don't call me 'Alex' ... I'm sensitive about it)

I'll pick up the adding together with a new post, probably tomorrow. Thanks all.

Maximillian said...

Sorry, that was a typeo... My name is Alex though, so it more than likely will happen again, for which I apologize in advance.

Lukas said...

(OOC: Just make sure you do it when I'm casting a spell so you take all the projectiles :P)

Alexis said...

(OOC: sorry fellas, I screwed the time I could have used here to write a long post on the blog.

I was able to put together the first deck of the ship last night. Ships always look so small when you fit them into a combat hex)

Lukas said...

(OOC: Tell me about it. Had an airship in another game. Thing was more like a sailboat when I saw it on the grid. Just one of the many complaints about my 'airship'.

Don't worry, we're just going to hit a horrific storm, get lost and have to go Robinson Crusoe until I level enough to get the message spell.)

Alexis said...

(OOC: this is based on an actual ship, the 1778 H.M.S. Surprise, 120 feet long. The image I have, however, squeezes the 33 foot beam into only 20 feet ... which works better for the lighter ship I want, at any rate.)

Andrej said...

(OOC: No worries, I wasn't expecting any activity today so likewise was occupied elsewhere.)

Looking forward to the ship.

Also, Cumana... Tell me if I've got the broad strokes correct. Populated by the descendents of orcs (mongols) and slavs (humans); culturally akin to the Cossacks? Are all Cossacks in the game half-orc or human or both?

Cumana and specifically the Crimea having not allied with the Ottomans is, presumably, an autonomous state, correct? If so, what does the prevailing government look like and who makes up the ruling class.

Finally, what do Cumana's borders look like and who are its immediate neighbors. Who are its enemies?

Andrej said...

(OOC: Looked at some Google images for the Surprise... what a beautiful ship.)

Maximillian said...

I think I remember you saying yes on your main blog, but are cannon in the game? More to the point, what armament would such a ship have? I mean besides druids?