Wednesday, August 8, 2012

The Palace in Lubeck

October 7, 1650, early afternoon Tuesday
Weather: With cool temperatures and overcast conditions, with a light air

I wish I could show you an image of the palace of Lubeck, but I could find nothing - I presume it has been long since destroyed.  I would guess it would look something like this, to be found at Schwerin:


I shall place it in the small town of Moisling, two miles to the southwest of Lubeck.  Lukas and Janos may ride with Serafina and Hornung; Andrej and Ahmet upon their mounts; the dwarves in the wagon driven by Emmanuel.  Emmanuel will apologize profusely to Andrej for leaving his service - yet he is anxious to go home, where he hopes to return a hero.  He plans to turn his land into a commune for all those who dwelt in his hamlet, which Andrej first encountered last May.

Fatima will meet Ahmet upon the steps, and berate her brother for disappearing before happily falling to her knees and embracing his thighs.  Carolina will appear weakly in the doorway.  The Duke is not available, but the Duchess will make a brief showing to welcome the party to her home, before retiring.  She is Helga Rosenkrantz, and she is nearing 80.  The Duke is bedridden, and his son is at present fighting in France.  There are several grandchildren who stand beside the Duchess, but they do not speak, and it is clear they are being forced to be there.

Hornung has one last request before the party is allow to retire to their rooms.  He wishes to give them what has been collected from the Archbishop's Castle for them.  He shows them to a turret, where there has been stored a chest and several boxes.

The first box is a bit more than five feet long and a foot wide - this is for Ahmet.
The second box is similar in size to a cigar box - this is for Andrej.
The third box is long and narrow, two inches by two inches, and 13 inches long - this is also for Andrej.
The fourth box is smaller than the palm of a hand - this is for Lukas.
The fifth box is four inches wide, five inches long and two inches deep - this is for whomever the party wills.
Lastly, the sixth box is five inches wide, 13 inches long and four inches deep - this is for the whole party.

The chest, Hornung will demonstrate, contains 2,000 gold pieces.

142 comments:

Ahmet said...

Ahmet suffers his cousin's attentions for a few moments before shooing her away.

Though a careful observer might note a smile tugging at the corner of his usual frown, and perhaps even a tear in his eye, upon seeing her.

Ahmet carefully opens his box.

Oddbit said...

Lukas may feel somewhat awkward in the carriage ride for a while to say the least.

Upon arrival he will become very distracted with the architecture of the palace, noting as many of the interesting supports and decorations.

Upon being gifted the box, he will thank Hornung honestly before weighing it in his hand, then opening it to examine the contents.

Alexis said...

Ahmet's box is quite heavy, more than six pounds. Lukas' box weighs very little - perhaps two ounces.

Andrej said...

Woo-hoo!

Ahmet, you old softie,

Thanking Hornung for his open-handed generosity, Andrej opens both of his boxes.

(Gents, I'll be tied up again for a few hours starting now, will check back in when I can,

Ahmet said...

(OOC: I should be here for most of the day, but tomorrow and Friday look absolutely terrible for me.)

Alexis said...

Hornung will ask that you open your boxes one at a time.

Ahmet, your box contains a jeweled Mameluke sword - which your scimitar proficiency would allow - with its metal scabbard in-lined with leather. It is the sword that Ahmed Kemaleddin, better known as Kemel Reis, exchanged with the Doge of Venice in 1503, as a sign of peace between the Ottomans and the Venetians. It is named Dilmek, and had come into the Archbishop's possession. Hornung feels now that the weapon should return to the Turks, with his blessing.

Alexis said...

Tell me which one first, Andrej.

Ahmet said...

Now there's no hiding the tears that come to Ahmet's eyes, and he thanks Herr Hornung profusely for this wondrous gift.

"Now we can return to our homeland in triumph!" he calls to Fatima.

Alexis said...

Lukas, your box contains an iron ring, set into a bed of satin; the ring is carved with symbols you recognize as magic - it reads (as I believe all mages can read magic automatically), "To Better Health, To Lesser Disturbance."

Hornung will explain that it was formerly in the possession of Antonio Dell'Acqua Cosmatos, who created the ring in 1520 to protect himself, prior to his negotiations with the Sahuagin of the bay at Triest. The ring was afterwards gifted to Margot, the Queen of France, who had it stolen from her upon her journey to Pau to meet with her husband, Henry of Navarre. Louis the XIV has graciously allowed its recovery to remain in the hands of those who destroyed the Archbishop, and having been given to Hornung, he now gives it to Lukas.

Alexis said...

(OOC: Ahmet, be sure to translate the name of your sword from Turkish into English)

Ahmet said...

(OOC: Slice... I like it!)

Andrej said...

I'll open them in the order they were described, so small box first.

Alexis said...

(OOC: nobody should worry about disappearances - there won't be any adventuring for awhile, not until people are organized. Come and go as you're able, and we'll suspend any "action" until at least Monday)

Alexis said...

Andrej,

Hornung apologizes he has nothing so iconic to give Andrej - but he hopes the two gifts will bring aid in times of trouble.

The first box contains two candles. They look simple enough, five inches tall and three-quarters of an inch wide. There are glyphs inscribed on the candles, and Andrej almost immediately recognizes their "technological" value.

In non-character terms, they are each a candle of invocation, designed to burn for one hour. During that hour, Andrej's level will effectively be raised by 1, affecting spell use, combat, saving throws and so on. As I say, there are TWO of these candles.

The other box, the narrow thin one, contains a single scroll. It is the third level spell, Death's Door, which will resussitate any 'killed' person whose hit points are yet between minus 19 and minus 10.

(it will raise a non-leveled creature if its hit points are between minus 10 and minus 1)

Lukas said...

Lukas will take his time to examine the ring thoroughly and then of coarse to put it on and admire it's placement on his finger.

With a bow to Hornung he thanks him again. "That my safety should be a concern is quite an honor. As is just being able to hold such an item."

Alexis said...

To put it in D&D terms, for simplicity ...

Lukas, it is a ring of protection +1

Ahmet, it is a scimitar +1

Ahmet said...

Now I like it even better :)

Andrej said...

"These are wonderful gifts, Eberhard, and I am grateful for them."

Andrej opens the fifth box and invites another party memebr to open the sixth, so that we may see what else the party has gained.

Alexis said...

The fifth box contains 12 hessonite garnet stones, uncut, each the size of a cherry.

Alexis said...

"Oh, they are not gifts, Father," says Hornung. "These are spoils; your shares, as decided by the war council. You were awarded 1/777th part of the total, which amounted to more than ten million gold."

Lukas said...

Lukas, only recently having come into wealth enough to buy his recent coat, unwillingly allows his jaw to drop for a moment.

He isn't exactly familiar with the ways of war, or the assessment of said spoils, but in this moment conceives why some might be inclined to pursue it for wealth's sake.

Andrej said...

Andrej nods and smiles, "Of course, Herr Hornung, but it seems to me that our spoils were chosen with some care, and for that I am grateful."

Andrej hands the box full of gems to Lukas, affixing his friend with a look that seems to say "don't drop these, eh?"

Lacking a volunteer Andrej opens the sixth and final box.

Lukas said...

Lukas holds the box given to him with both hands, and occasionally peeks over at his prec... I mean his new ring.

Andrej said...

(OOC: Whatsssss does it have in itsssss pocketsssssessss?!?!?)

Alexis said...

This last box includes a parchment tied with a ribbon; a ring; a chain and a small medallion. The ring is carved in the shape of a stamp; the medallion and it both have the same symbol, that of a nine-ray star. The chain is really three chains entwined, and designed to be worn with the medallion.

The document, when unrolled and read by Lukas, is the deed to the isles of Upper and Lower Koufonisi. Hornung is quick to point out that this land does not confer any title - but it does give the right for the members of the party to tax the 288 residents, all of whom dwell upon Upper Koufonisi, almost all in the village of Chora on the southwest corner of that island.

Together, the islands are called "Koufonisia," and are within the realm of Venetia, near the coast and within the authority of Naxos, among the Cyclades islands of Greece.

Alexis said...

"I was not able to give you land before, though I designed to do so," says Hornung. "I trust this makes up for that."

Andrej said...

"More than makes up for it. Was this too the spoils of war, or a gift of your own lands?"

Andrej said...

(OOC: Gotta love Google Maps. The islands are about smack dab in the middle of the lower Agean, midway between Greece and Turkey. Right on the way via sea voyage if we still choose to make for Fiume by land then Constantinople by sea.)

Alexis said...

The lands of the Archbishop have been redistributed all over ... and since this was the only thing remotely eastern Mediterranean, Hornung requested it for the party.

Lukas said...

Smack dab in the middle of the Mediterranean and managed by a half orc Christian priest, and a Turk. Just saying.

Andrej said...

This is fantastic. Really. Dare ia sk about XP?

I'm going to miss Germany I suppose but I can't wait to hit the Med./ Adriatic/ Black Sea. Had I asked you to makea campaign with my own inerests in mind only, and not joined the reformation of an existing one, Eastern Europe/ Western Asia would have been my pick. This game has been a blast all along, and I'm really excited about where we go from here.

Gents. There is some small talk, loose ends and individual interests or goals that can still be addressed here in Lubek. That said, I'd like for us to pursue these but also start planning our journey and prioritize our goals.

Here's what I believe so far, don't take this as the be-all/ end-all list... provide your input, challenge my assumptions etc... but for each item below, state yea or nay or add your details. Once we agree on the basics I'll take the initiative and plan our route if you guys don't mind or don't want the hassle.

- We leave Lubek once we are ready, by land is my preference, taking a farewell tour of Germany and Austria moving south, if you will.

- Optionally we leave Lubek for a quick jaunt to Cuxhaven, where Ahmet and I are owed 75 gp between us. I'm willing to skip this if the party wants, as it is a few days out of our way... but the gold will help and I have no problem sharing my part.

- We travel south by road from Lubek/ Cuxhaven and pass by Eichstadt, where a book of illusions I possess is being studied there by a scholar. I'm less willing to skip this and if I regain this possession I will make a gift of it to Lukas.

- Optionally, we can see Emmanuel to Dachau (right down the road from Eichstadt) and perhaps even attend his wedding should such a thing be arranged quickly enough.

- From here we are well positioned to make for Ingolstadt, where the Danube river will take us to Vienna where we either find a promising land route straight to Fiume or continue on the river to Budapest and then form there cut back almost due west in the lowlands. This route avoids the highlands and I'm hoping the worst of the winter weather.

- In Fiume, Andrej collects some 3000 gp in tithes for the purposes of establishing a church in Cumana, Eastern Ukraine.

- From Fiume we take ship and leave the Adriatic, possibly stopping in Athens to then see to our new land holdings in the nearby Agean.

- From either Athens or Koufinisi we make for Constantinople and form there go east to tend to Ahmet's family matters regarding the mine.

- Once settled we take ship for some Black Sea port closest to or within Cumana so Andrej may scout out a location for his church.

We take big bites out of life and the world all along the way.

Andrej said...

Lukas, and a flying dutcman mage and Huungarian ranger. What could go wrong?

Ahmet said...

(OOC: That's a good plan. Ahmet is close enough to 5th level that by the time we get to Constantinople, he'll probably be retiring to his copper mine and I'll be rolling up a new character.)

Andrej said...

What retiring? You can have the mine and the new character and still swing that fancy new poker of yours.

Alexis said...

Total experience (dividing the base experience equally, as the party as expressed):

For those adding 10%, Andrej, Ahmet and Lukas: 3,557.

For those who do not, Janos: 3,234.

Andrej said...

Welcome to the next level. Andrej is now 5th. I'd like to roll up my henchman immediately, can we start via e-mail today/ tonight, Alexis? Via the blog?

Also, can we get an market list for Lubek?

Andrej said...

New hit points: 5 +2 CON bonus for 7 total.

I'll work on the new spells tonight.

Lukas said...

Talk about putting me on the edge of another level. I guess it's my last taste of the benefits of being in such a big battle.

I agree with your plan. Currently Lukas' plans are very mobile so anything you folks are interested I'm good for. Though I should send a message home at some point perhaps.

I think perhaps there are a few questions I need to answer about myself and my character before I decide that.

Alexis, I assume a laboratory is required for writing spell scrolls? I would like to make some at some point (my character blog may betray why) and was curious. Also I'm curious about obtaining scrolls outside writing them myself. For anything I might want a one off use of.

Andrej said...

Lukas, perhaps you could purchase a wagon or caravan and somehow outfit it with a portable laboratory?

Lukas said...

Awww man, then I should have gotten that turban and crystal ball. Gone all in.

Andrej said...

It's never too late to become a gypsy madame.

Andrej said...

new spells: enthrall (2nd) & create food & water (3rd) - between me and the magical keg we'll never have to worry about buying food for our travels again, gents.

Andrej said...

new specialty in my field of knowledge: Heroes

Andrej said...

(OOC: Sorry for the multiple posts, but this one should do it)

new weapon proficiency: sling

Ahmet said...

new specialty in my field of knowledge: Heroes

Wouldn't it be easier just to ask Ahmet about himself? :)

Alexis said...

I understand the rush, Andrej, but as Ahmet is going to close down the course of things the next two days, let me see how things are. They are tearing my bathroom apart, and Tamara may want to go to a hotel or something - hot weather and I haven't had a bath or shower since Sunday.

Alexis said...

You can't buy magic items, Lukas; so either you endear yourself to someone, as you have just done, and they give you scrolls of their own free will, or you write your own.

The creation of a scroll requires the ink, the material components of the spell (the only circumstance in which I use them), and talent. I have a table - somewhere - that presupposes your success. It's not 100%. You're limited in writing scrolls that occur in your spellbook, but not scrolls that are limited to those you use daily.

Some spells that do not have material components in the Player's Handbook are subject to change in that regard. Material components for lower level spells can be found at the apothecary's. I have a list of those material components, again somewhere. I shall try to remember to get them to you.

Lukas said...

Oooh, what kind of minion are you considering Andrej? Paladin? A young priest for the old priest? A repentant rogue? A godless barbarian warrior? Oh wait we have the last one.

Alexis said...

At least, not until the total number of people in the party outstrips Andrej's ability.

At present, he can create 5 lbs. of food; that's enough for five people, providing they are resting.

I don't think I ever charged the party for 3 lbs. of food on the day of the battle. Oh well.

Alexis said...

Andrej, you'll note I do multiple posts all the time. Easier to read.

Lukas, sorry, I meant to include that there's no need for a lot of glass and stuff, and a lab, unless you intend to create non-established magic, or certain items.

Finally, EVERYONE.

In addition to the Hardened Adventurer, you should also include the Pillager card, and the Land card.

Lukas said...

1. So I have to have a spellbook with the spell to get the scroll.
I presume currently since I have not acquired anyone else's spellbook I only have the spells I can cast daily.

2. I need ink/paper/components.

3. I need luck and skill.

So does this mean that if I scribe a spell I cannot cast daily then I can cast said spell via a scroll?

Roughly meaning through expensive and time consuming preparation I can cast outside my daily allotment without the aid of another mage correct?

Alexis said...

Sorry about the confusion, Lukas - by "spellbook," I meant those spells which at the very beginning I gave you a list from which you could pick the spells that are in your actual spellbook. Darn D&D and its lack of specific terms.

Let's call that original list your "capable spell list" ... do you still have that?

You can create a scroll from any of those, and cast it off the scroll. You can cast ANY spell off a scroll, but you can only MAKE those you are capable of comprehending.

Lukas said...

Alright. So that is more clear, but just to confirm because it seems slightly unintuitive to me (not that I'm complaining.)

Spells that I haven't mastered enough to cast daily I can make a scroll of and cast later as long as they are on my capable list. I guess it's like 'doing the math on paper' rather than in my head.

In which case I think I will be pursuing this process in the near future Alexis. Thank you for the clarification.

Alexis said...

It is as you say. The difference is that when you cast a spell that you "know," you're spontaneously mastering the power of the spell in a very short period of time - 10 seconds; to gather the power necessary takes a lot of concentration, which must all be organized in your mind very quickly.

But given that you can take a week to create the scroll, each word becomes its own parcel of energy, which you invest into the scroll as you create it. So you're not "casting" from the scroll - you're casting INTO the scroll, then releasing that cast by reading it aloud at a later time.

Ahmet said...

Where can I find those cards, Alexis?

Lukas said...

Same universe wiki has the list.

Hardened Adventurer +1 Resistance (something?)
Pillager +1 Modifier (Aggressive)
Land +1 Modifier (Status)

I believe that is their information.

Alexis said...

Remember that resistance is defensive; used only when necessary, it raises the amount needed to sway you in a conflict.

The pillager card can only be used when intimidating, never when influencing.

James C. said...

Alexis: regarding the food and water spell, description says enough food for three people per level, which would mean 15 people per day. Worst case that would be 15 lbs, right? It's this large amount of capability that enticed me to selcet it over maybe more spectacular 3rd level spells. If it is as you say I may reconsider.

James C. said...

Lukas: I think I want to surprise you guys with my henchman when we set out from Lubek. I do have the party's overall capabilities in mind.

Ahmet said...

Yeah, but I want those snazzy looking cards for my character sheet!

Lukas said...

The pictures are on the Wiki as well.

Ahmet said...

Updated!

By the way, does Klaas get any experience? Not that he did much. Actually, I don't think he did anything! But he did survive.

Andrej said...

Change of heart, I told Alexis we can do chargen right on the blog if he likes. It's looking like a human female monk. I', doing this for two reasons. One, I'm setting Andrej up to be eponymous character from Kill Bill. Two, this is a compromise as Tiger-blooded vatican warlock assassins capable of F-14 strafing runs are inexplicably not an option in Alexis's game. Winning.

Alexis said...

Many questions.

1) Food Creation. Yes, Andrej is right. Years ago I changed the spell because it was too weak for 3rd level, and I had forgotten doing so. This is the problem with being in my late 40s - more and more I'm going to forget rule changes...that is why it is important to write them down. Never worry about correcting me - only remember that I'm probably not trying to revert, I'm just forgetful.

2) I will make a post on this blog with the background for Andrej's henchmen sometime soon. I think Andrej will be pleased.

3) I will make a post on the other blog about how to create scrolls, as I think it will be of general interest. I should be able to get this up sometime today.

4) Klaas will fail his morale check and ask to be excused from any further associations with the party. You guys scare the hell out of him, and since the death of Joost he hasn't been himself. He has spoken to Hornung, fretting the whole time, and will seek employment with the Ducal Palace as a guard. He is sorry for ever having been on the wrong side of the law.

5) Gawd, I am a long way from running Quentin Tarentino plotlines, I hope. Otherwise, we'd never ... stop ... talking.

Andrej said...

1) I'll stick with the spell then and agree on the changes. Since cleric spells are hardwired in your game it only makes sense for a 3rd level spell to have somewhat compelling usage.

2) Yay

3) I'll be very interested as well. Will you also address clerical scrolls?

4) Too bad about Klaas, I wish him well. Are there perhaps any amongst the hardy dwarves who are not yet ready to settle down as country squires? Maybe they'd be interested in tagging along for a bit. The pay is average but the benefits are nice. Look around the swanky ducal palace and check out that sweet fur coat Emmanuel is sporting.

5) lol

Alexis said...

You all have gained a reputation. The only person willing to come along with the party is an as yet unnamed female monk.

Alexis said...

The monk hench is posted.

Lukas said...

Hrm, maybe scribing scrolls isn't going to be as awesome as I thought now that I consider it further. I mean, this is a writer who's going to be making these rules.

There might be sanity checks, dealing with publishers, writers block...

Alexis said...

Excellent, Lukas. I hadn't thought of those things. I'll have to rewrite my post ...

I wanted to say that I conceived of circumstances in which a laboratory would be necessary. I apologize for that.

Alexis said...

(I have also had to adjust the cost of magical ink)

Lukas said...

Well, regardless, the only thing that leaves me particularly optimistic is the number of spells I have access to when creating scrolls.

There are a number of spells I don't see as being useful for taking daily (Find Familiar) But I wouldn't mind having some one-off uses on hand.

If you're interested in my potential candidates for whatever reason, I went ahead and put them on my character sheet. (I'm trying to clean that sheet up too)

As a side note, the spell list you gave me does not seem to note material components, so I may take a little while to figure those out.

Lukas said...

(I also am glad I'm keeping you thinking about your systems. I never got much of the benefit in my own game I ran.)

Alexis said...

I shall dig out the list of components, or make one from scratch; do not worry about it.

The scrollmaking post is up.

Alexis said...

(OOC: I'm going to be scarce for awhile - I'll maintain the main post, if anyone comments, but otherwise I'll be concentrating elsewhere)

Lukas said...

Well, given I don't wear plate mail, and have little chance to do anything involving mounting large monsters in combat, I think I have something other than fancy clothes to spend my money on.

Lukas said...

Shame about needing an apprentice though, maybe I can persuade the monk into thinking helping me would make for good focus practice. ;)

If the disposable component costs aren't horrendous, the what... 16% chance of making a scroll might not be too prohibitive if we ever have a time where we're just hanging around town waiting for something.

Alexis said...

The apprentice can be hired.

You'll just have to concentrate on finding the books first.

Alexis said...

An inn-room or such would really suck for creation ... noise is a constant condition of living in any public place.

Lukas said...

Indeed, though if my math is correct, my first level spell with an 18 int at level 3 means at 16% chance to succeed without books.

With books that can get all the way to a healthy 28%. I'm assuming this wont be particularly reliable or possible till around 5 when the first level spells I'm considering will be about 56%. It seems to me if the scroll is particularly useful, or has a particularly long duration, then an 16% chance isn't too bad at maybe 50-100 gold an attempt.

This makes sense to me, as I don't think some spells would exist outside scroll form personally. Whatever mage get's stuck with Find Familiar on his daily spell list is in a sorry state indeed.

The books themselves are a lot of money unless Andrej wants to split costs and share the facilities, in which case we could play apprentice for each other anyhow.

The real perk is if you set aside the characters and go play with their henchmen, Lukas could spend his time merrily working at scroll making in his laboratory. Of coarse, that is well along the line of becoming a mage sequestering himself away from the world.

Alexis said...

My change to the cost of ink jumped it quite a lot from the previous price you would see on your Memel table; it simply has to be enough to hurt. My price for Lubeck is (not withstanding possible changes) 106 g.p. The difference was caused in adding the cost of aqua regia to the base price for magic ink. You can see the price I was using was based on 1 oz. ordinary ink and 1 oz. mithril, found on the 'Raw Materials Cost' tab, line 606. I'm sure you can see the logic in needing 1 oz. of aqua regia to break down the mithril.

Alexis said...

If you want the Find Familiar, with its hit points and help early on in life, better not to wait for making a scroll. Also, remember that sometimes the Find Familiar spell fails (25% of the time).

Alexis said...

Finally, I will try to get a price going for the books, and see if they are available or not in Lubeck. I will be rolling the exact size and number of pages randomly, so some might be slightly cheaper or more expensive than indicated.

Lukas said...

Hrm, how else would you get Find Familiar? Isn't it a spell that only works for the caster?

Alexis said...

I was giving a reason why a mage might be willing to "get stuck" with Find Familiar on their daily spell list.

Lukas said...

Ah I see missed that. Yeah I guess it's possible someone might interpret that benefit is worth it. I find myself disagreeing, but I understand.

Andrej said...

Some house cleaning, please let me know if you are all OK with the below:

- The 2,000 gold pieces will be distributed equally amongst the four primaries at 500 GP each.

- The garnet stones will likewise be equally divided, 3 each.

- Alexis, how do we go about getting the stones appraised?

- Janos, I'm sorry there wasn't an individual item for you, but considering that you joined the party mid-adventure and are now a landed man with pocketfuls of gold (and corresponding XP) I hope you don't feel slighted. Consider this, also: at least one if not both of Andrej's items will most likely be of benefit to somebody else in the party. I'm sure given future, consistent participation in the game you will be remembered.

- Finally, two questions for the DM. How much faster could the party travel if we ditched the cart and all went on horseback? Could we travel even faster than that if we bought spare mounts and rotated them?

Alexis said...

First News: The trade table is spectacularly fucked up ... but I've been through this before.

Whenever I add new regions - in this case, France, Spain, Africa, etc., there are always a lot of new products. These have to be fitted into the complex arrangement of calculations that exists for the table I sent you last month. There are ALWAYS calculations that get destroyed and have to be found and rebuilt. I am in that process now. I could calculate Lubeck using an old version of the table (would have to be two incarnations ago, as I fucked up the last one last night by NOT saving an extra copy before starting to make changes - we've all done that).

So I will have something for you, by hell or high water ... but I'm going to take tonight and give a try to track down most of the errors and fix them. Please be patient.

Questions:

1) Appraising the jewelry, or paying for anyone to do anything, has always eluded me for a fix to the table. The table ought to determine hireling costs as well as prices - I think I have that worked out, but I'm not ready to do that. In the meantime, I'll appraise the gems for free - WHEN I have the table that tells me how much they cost.

2) Horses will travel 40 miles per day at a comfortable trot, with riders intermittently walking the animals. A cart travels 10 miles a day on good roads. Therefore, travel times with horse only would be quadrupled. If you take two horses each, and switch back and forth, you can manage 80 miles per day - 60 if you don't want to buy two sets of tack, since you'll have to switch saddles, harness, bridle, etc.

Lukas said...
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Andrej said...

Thanks Alexis.

Guys, I'm considering selling the cart and buying a spare horse. We could spread out the gear we used to pull by cart amongst our horses. Janos, I think, would have to buy his first horse and then a second, so this might not appeak to us all.

It's about 75 gp based on Memel prices for a riding horse, saddle, harness, bit, etc...

What do you all think?

Lukas said...

I don't own a horse either. I think I was riding with someone previously. Or in the cart.

Alexis said...

Let me answer that question in about 5 hours, Lukas.

Alexis said...

And I've done it again.

Sorry about the deleted comment, Lukas. On the new Blogger template the space between comment on a particular post and remove content is so narrow that I keep accidentally hitting the wrong link. My apologies.

This was your comment about knowing what commodities are common or uncommon.

I was going to say that even though its not exact, my numbers more or less reflect the actual availability that you can find through research. Virtually everything is cheaper in germany than anywhere else in the world, as Germany is the center of trade ... but the local products are what you'd expect: beer, glasswork, metalwork, weapons, armor, etc.

Ahmet said...

Traveling by horse sounds like our best bet, though perhaps we'll need to hang around here and earn some gold before putting it into action.

Oddbit said...

Ok, so what are the odds of Lukas being able to ride a war griffon or hippogriff and how does that effect our travel times?

Andrej said...

Wouldn't it try to eat our horses?

Alexis said...

There are certain errors with the gems calculations which I have yet to fix. Dabbling with it, I can see you can get 565 g.p. for each garnet gem you wish to sell.

Alexis said...

None of you have much chance of riding a griffon, not really; you have to be a fighter. Ahmet's chance at 4th level is about 29% of approaching without getting himself torn to bits.

It's not something you want to try without being able to take the damage - you can't approach the bird with weapon in hand.

He does have a 67% chance of approaching a hippogriff (and then a similar chance of riding it without being tossed off, probably to his death). He could probably take the damage if the hippogriff chose to attack him.

See, griffs tend to be surly, dangerous, mean creatures, and if they don't accept you as a rider, they freakin' go nuts. If you get past the first roll, it will let you try to ride it (and you don't have to check for surliness thereafter). But riding it is always tricky, and any weird maneuver the first time (like diving, getting struck while riding, etc.) is very dangerous at low level.

Andrej said...

(OOC: I'll keep feet on the ground, thank you very much)

I did some house-cleaning equipment wise and updated Andrej's character sheet with Sofia's newly bought horse & equipment and the new light war horse Andrej bought for himself. What kind of warhorse would we get in Lubek, Alexis?

I moved some party items (all of which are Ahmet's and mine, I believe)off of the cart and onto the two new horses. Which leaves only Ahmet's scale armor and our food stores left on the cart. Ahmet, I trust you'll take the scale and if you want your picks let me know and take them.

As for the percheron, the cart itself and all of the remaining foodstuffs, I'm donating all but the foodstuff's to Emmanuel and his new commune. The food can go also if Ahmet agrees. If not, take what you want from it and haul or sell the rest.

Andrej will be providing a daily create food and water to keep the party fed, but please carry a few pounds of food on your person or horse as a back-up.

Ahmet said...

Yeah, we'll donate whatever food was left over and still useable from the cart and from the boat trip so we can start fresh.

Regarding the griffon, remember Ahmet has a morale penalty when it comes to working with animals. He's really not the guy you want trying to break in a flying steed.

János said...

(OOC: Hey, fellas, I figured I'd give a holler just to let you know that I'm back. I hope everyone's been doing alright, and that you haven't ended up using Janos as cannon fodder yet. I'll be doing my best to get up to speed on whatever's happened in my absence.)

Andrej said...

Not fodder at all. I think you'll be pleased with what has happened. let us know once you're all caught up.

Alexis said...

Possible German warhorses: a Hanoverian, cream, chestnut, bay, black or grey; a Westphalian,black, bay, chestnut or a rare grey; or an Oldenburg, black, bay or chestnut. Take your pick.

(OOC: I love that I can answer these questions)

Alexis said...

How is Fatima going to travel?

Alexis said...

Janos!

You may find that you're rich now and that you're somewhat along in X.P.

Ahmet said...

Hm...

1) We could buy her two horses as well, assuming she can ride.

or

2) We can leave her with Herr Hornung, assuming he is willing, and Ahmet can send for her after he's secured their fortune, and further assuming he won't need her assistance in Anatolia to go about getting the mine.

Andrej said...

I have an extra horse Fatima can use if you like, Ahmet... unless we're all buying spare horses.

One last thing regarding old business. Ahmet, as you and I seem to be the only remaining members from the party that began in Cuxhaven, I have a proposal. You keep the magical leather armor we took from the apple district in Munster and I will keep the magical keg the magical keys we got from Deveraux. Deal?

Ahmet said...

Sounds good. I think Ahmet is wearing that leather in his profile picture anyway. ;)

I thought the intention was we would each have two horses?

Andrej said...

It was, but I don't know if all agree to or not. In the event that not everybody wants to or is able to buy the extra horse (three horses in your case), I've already bought my extra and Fatima can use that.

(OOC: Thanks for the horse info Alexis... I'll note my choice on my character sheet when I update it later)

Alexis said...

I meant to say that the mage cannot ride a warhorse, but can purchase a 'riding' horse. The difference is a riding horse cannot be ridden into battle.

The cleric cannot fight from the warhorse, though he can ride one.

Lukas said...

We could all get two horses, and just put up with the slower time until we... politely drop off Fatima.

And yeah I figured I would only get a riding horse.

(OOC: Internet crackdown, will be reduced posting.)

Ahmet said...

Ahmet asks Fatima for more details regarding claiming his inheritance -- who does he need to speak to, what proof must he offer, etc.

"My companions and I are embarking on a long and dangerous journey, and I will not have time to nursemaid you," Ahmet says. "You will remain here, assuming Herr Hornung is willing. Inshallah, I will arrive in our homeland and secure our family's fortune. Then I will send for you, and you will return home in the ease and comfort our new wealth will allow."

János said...

Just finished reading through everything I missed. My lord!

It may take me a little while to look over the trade table and figure out everything I'll need. Janos used to have a horse with some miscellaneous supplies on it, but that was left behind at the battle with the Archbishop's forces.

In the meantime, though, I can say that I have no complaints about Andrej's plan for our globetrotting adventure. Janos would relish the opportunity to see the world with his fine companions!

János said...

Lukas,

I just realised that Janos actually has a few contacts with the alchemist's guild, which offers him a 10% discount on apothecary items. If there's anything there you might need for your scroll making, he would happily pull some strings for you.

Andrej said...

Hey Alexis, I'm sure somebody thought to bring Janos's horse to Lubek as well, right?

Also, in the event you're not checking in on the other post, Sofia is ready to go other than needing a weight and cost for throwing knives.

Andrej said...

Hey guys, bit more housekeeping. Ahmet, you take your military and workman's picks and put them on one of your horses. Also, take one of the tents and I'll carry the other two. I'll also carry the two spades.

Lukas said...

That will be extremely helpful eventually. Right now I think mainly we're examining the huge cost at the printers as we gather the books. Once we create a home at the new holdings or wherever Andrej's church gets set up we will probably be visiting the apothecary.

Quiet place in the basement for scribing scrolls and teaching reading perhaps?

I have a feeling my next expense is going to be two horses, which wont leave enough for a book let alone ink and other goods.

However, if you stick with us a little while longer I can abuse your good faith for quite a few things.

Alexis said...

(OOC: Sorry about the crackdown, Lukas; let us know if there are changes)

Ahmet,

All in the neighborhood know who you are; the mine has gone to your (uncle?) because its believed that you are dead. Fatima believed otherwise, and went to find you. Thus, your appearance will presumably sort things out.

(OOC: The temptation to play out the cliche where Fatima refuses, then chases after the party on her own, then gets into trouble which the party must save her from is very strong. But I shall resist)

Fatima agrees to wait until she is sent for. Hornung will not refuse to keep so beautiful a woman in his home ... but he will take her with him to Calenburg.



Alexis said...

Janos,

Take your time with the trade table. Remember to ask me about anything you can't find. Presume your horse is with you, that it was brought as well (I simply forgot about it, so presume it was hidden behind the carriage when you first arrived).

Janos' 10% discount on apothecary items would be for apothecaries in the country of origin. For Janos, that's Hungary (which you will later be passing through).

Alexis said...

Throwing knife:

lightweight, causes 1-2 damage, can be placed in high boot, collar or torso as well as belt; still limited to 2 per belt, and 1 placed on other part of body (as specified) ... so maximum 7 knives carried.

24 s.p.

10.5 oz.

Lukas said...

I have a question. How much would it be to send a message A: to Lukas' hometown and B: From Lukas' hometown to their new 'holdings'?

Ahmet said...

Is a throwing knife treated as a dagger for proficiency?

Andrej said...

Don't forget Lukas we've each got 500 gp plus the value of the garnets. How about you and Andrej go halsie's on the book now, so we don't miss an opportunity to acquire it, and if Andrej never learns to read you can buy me out of my share whenever you feel you have the means?

Lukas said...

I'd love to hear Alexis take on

A: The value of the gems and
B: The teaching of Andrej.

I think that was lost in E-Mail.

Do you have a bible we could work out of by chance?

I don't mind doing that, but we're looking at no horses out of my own wallet unless that garnet is worth a healthy chunk of change.

Alexis said...

Lukas,

The distance in days of market travel between your present location and the point of destination, times private lodging & stabling + 50%:

32.3 days x 100 c.p. (67 x 1.5) = 3,230 c.p. or (rounded up) 17 g.p.

Done on the spur of the moment.

Alexis said...

Can't calculate the price to the new holdings because a) don't know where they will be and b) Lukas the mage can't know what the price will be there.

Alexis said...

I hadn't posted about the teaching of Andrej.

I may write a post on the other blog about it ... but still chewing over the answer.

I gave the value of the gems; in Lubeck you can sell them for 565 g.p. each.

Andrej said...

I bought the clergyman's bible either way. Damn that thing is heavy.

Lukas said...

We split those gems 4 ways? 3 each?
Ok I think I can afford some things...

Including a particular book.
Yeah we can go 50/50 then since I'll be able to afford a horse... easily.
I assume we are able to 'cash out' these gems here in Lubeck Alexis?

In which case I will be cashing out one at least so I can afford the horses and supplies.

Andrej said...

Andrej hands over 396 gold, 8 silvers to Lukas. That should cover his half of the book. I'll leave the book's care and posession up to you, Lukas, as I'm sure you won't mind.

Alexis said...

Yes, you can sell all of the gems in Lubeck if you like. I will grant you buyers.

Andrej, I wrote the post on how to learn to read. I can't quote the price of a tutor right now.

(OOC: I'm done for the day, fellas. Sorry about the minimal running - but the post really was a stroke of, well, something)

Andrej said...

Does a tutor need to be a professional reading tutor or would a mage with an 18 intelligence suffice? ;)

Lukas said...

Now I need to find a seriously Overcomplicated storage system... Burlap sack around an iron box with a lock I think will do it.

Alexis said...

Given the amount of teaching I've done in my lifetime, obviously an 18 intelligence isn't necessary.

Lukas is certainly able to educate Andrej - it is a question as to whether or not Lukas wants to take the time to do so.

Lukas said...

I think logically speaking we may also need some supplies.

Lukas said...

Do slates exist for writing on with tailors chalk? I assume those would be approximate.

Lukas said...

So... Dare I ask what a riding horse can carry?

Lukas said...

Finally, for giggles I decided to do the 'handwork' for engraved silver buttons (quarter sized button of modern design came out at .2oz so I put it at .5oz) following the engraved silver chalice it came out at 3g each.

Would it be possible to get three of these for my fancy coat? Or is that asking a bit too much in decadence?

Alexis said...

Lukas,

You're probably being too hard on the weight for buttons. Setting it at +50% modern size is probably enough. That makes them 29 s.p. each, or 5 g.p., 7 s.p. for three buttons.

Your chalkboard is 1.7 lb., with wooden frame, 10 in. x 11 in., at a cost of 2 s.p.

Ahmet said...

Ahmet purchases a second light warhorse (a chestnut Westphalian), with saddle, saddlebags, saddle blanket and bit & bridle; he buys horseshoes and pays for shoeing for his new horse and, what the heck, puts a new set on his old horse as well. He buys 28 days worth of horsefeed (53 pounds).

He brands both horses with his mark -- a crab.

As a back-up to Andrej's magically created food, he buys items I think will last a reasonable amount of time -- two packages of dried apples, a package of salt, a dozen potatoes, six pounds of beef jerky, a sack of groundnuts, and a second wineskin (he demands cowhide, not pigskin), which he fills with water.

He buys a pair of throwing knives to stick into his boots.

He sells the scale armor and takes his various items off the cart, including one tent as Andrej requested, and redistributes it between the two horses, sharing the weight as best as he can.

He gives to Fatima the large pouch with the tag "Ahmet", containing 80 g.p., that he was given for his part in slaying the crab. "Use this money to return to our homeland if I... if you don't hear from me."

I'm assuming Ahmet spends about 2 g.p. a day while in town for accommodations, food, stabling, horse provisions, etc.

Ready to go when you guys are!

Ahmet said...

Alexis, I'm not sure I ever determined what the leather armor is, in "D&D terms". +1 studded? Does it weigh as much as normal studded?

Alexis said...

Ahmet,

You can only place one throwing knife in an odd location ... can't keep a knife in both boots. It's too difficult to walk.

+1 studded would mean that it is the equivalent of scale mail ... so that together with a shield, it would give an AC of 5. It does weigh the same as studded leather (lighter than scale). It also gives a +1 to all saving throws.

Alexis said...

Okay, there's a new post up. This comment field is getting long.